Can we do something for 996 programmers in China?

Thanks very very much,Guido.
You are so kind.

One thing I want emphasize is that our government is too powerful that organizing a actual labour union is nearly impossible. ( I don’t mean to subvert regime, but the status quo did make us feel exhausted and comfortless.)
The possibility is near zero to count on giant change from the inside.As you can see, our domestic public opinion is strictly controlled, maybe only 3% people had known about the 996 event (personally estimation).Honestly, it is still very hard to change lot even with external power.

However, there is better than nothing.Thank you hearty guys, sincerely.

From an undergraduate student, future programmer

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Hi, I don’t think it’s a good idea.
tech should be independent.

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It’s disgusting all big Chinese big companies use implicitly mandatory 996 to force employees to work overtime and this cause many cases of employees’ sudden death. This kind of cases only happen in Chinese companies like Tencent and HuaWei. Ironically Tencent tells its employees their partner will be compensated if they are dead due to working overtime!

I strongly disagree. No one can be totally independent.

To say the least, as long as the state permits itself to interfere with the affairs of literature, literature has the right to interfere with the affairs of the state.

From Joseph Brodsky - Nobel Lecture: https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/1987/brodsky/lecture/

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I think the rule that the 996 companies should pay more if they’re using Python based framework may helps.

If you really want to do something. Please hire them! :slightly_smiling_face: I was joking…

This is apparently a political issue of China, and Python Community is better to be non-political.

We should show understanding for them, but we can’t change the fact.

If we are going to apply the 996 license for Python, then China’s companies could simply create a fork from the last non-996-licensed version and maintain that by themselves. Then, the offical Python disappears in China.

Another fact is that, even if those companies don’t follow the license, we actually could do nothing :upside_down_face: China is like an separate world, and they don’t care the rules in open source communities.

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Chinese Government and most tech companies don’t care about programmers while they are very talent and skillful. As a developer in China, I know that most developers in China are much willing to work remotely for companies outside China while most opportunies are not open for these talented and kind people.This situation should change.

I believe that in the near future, there will be more companies adopting remote work style and developers will be more social. Then, Chinese developers don’t have to stay in the tie-1 cities like Beijing, Shanghai to get a job while suffering from the high living cost and pressures from family and company.

Hope for that.

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You can do nothing , We can do nothing … Because they will treat us like animals.

I agree with !996 very much.

很多码农,生活习惯和一般的工薪,完全不同,并且任务繁重/繁多,996完全解决不了问题,也完全没有效率。

从生物学上来说,我们都是动物。

We can do nothing. 因为这是整个社会结构的问题,包括房价。

Hi Guido, I am Chinese developer. Thank you for your kindness.
I have an idea for this. As far as the actual situation is concerned, it is not appropriate to simply object to 996. Adding non-mandatory additional clauses to an open source agreement to remind companies that use projects that use such agreements to comply with local labor employment laws. At the same time, Senthil’s advice is very reasonable.

Seki

I am going to ask a moderator to close this thread. I am grateful for all the feedback, but at this point we’re not hearing any new perspectives, and nobody answered my actual question, how we can get more attention for the cause. I am going to ponder what I can do next.

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There are so many Chinese companies that implement 996 work schedule. While the main problem is the neglect of the labour law, which states that labourers shall work for no more than 44 hours per week on average. Many Chinese laws have not been enforced, which leads to the fact that many employers exploit their employees a lot. The only thing that can do, is to let the Chinese labour law enforced.

Many Chinese managers don’t know that 996 usually cause production output reduction. If you can share more experience regarding management of western company, it may be help to change their thought.

  • a Chinese programmer

To be honest, there is no particularly good way to do it. It is impossible to defend all rights in China in reality (it will be arrested in the name of stability). So, I hope to have as many projects as possible to add an anti 996icu license.

Hello everyone, here is a Discord exchange group about 996, which has the information of the GitHub’s PR and Slack, as well as the channel for communication. Everyone can come here to exchange and learn to brag.

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Let more open source projects join the 996 licence

Resist the software of these companies

Resist their products at international trade fairs

The White House signs sanctions against overseas branches of these companies

Spreading these blacklist companies makes them notorious

Add the 996 protocol to the python project