# Closing the loop on PyPA Governance / BDFRN **URL:** \ **Category:** Packaging\ **Created:** [May 30, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/closing-the-loop-on-pypa-governance-bdfrn/1776 "2019-05-30T21:18:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 21
**Author:** ![sumanah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/sumanah/32/1722_2.png) [@sumanah](https://discuss.python.org/u/sumanah)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/closing-the-loop-on-pypa-governance-bdfrn/1776/21 "2019-07-18T16:22:33Z")
A joint reply to @pf_moore @ncoghlan @bernatgabor and @pradyunsg and anyone else who’s wondering about: > [@ncoghlan](#): > > The packaging WG authorised spending PSF money on this a while back. The challenge is that it’s hard to hire someone if you don’t know what to ask for as project deliverables… You may have seen [the December 2018 post on pypa-dev](https://groups.google.com/d/msg/pypa-dev/U1six3Pxmrw/yg5c3iNxEwAJ) in which I mentioned that Changeset would be doing communication/facilitation/roadmap work for PyPA. I’ve now posted [an update](https://groups.google.com/d/msg/pypa-dev/U1six3Pxmrw/PhKvETT1AwAJ) (belatedly for sure!) about what’s happened since then and what Changeset’s work has gone into so far. I’m glad @dustin started this thread, which I think is pretty related to [Remove the "Authority" from Packaging](https://discuss.python.org/t/remove-the-authority-from-packaging/1993/) I do think that the PyPA needs to, at the least, make it clearer how a person or project joins the PyPA, what the criteria are, what powers it believes itself to hold, under what circumstances the PyPA would stop including a person or project (perhaps because of inactivity), and whether we want some kind of unified roadmap that we’re all working towards. And deciding all of those things are easier if we have someone who is sort of like the Debian Project Leader or a clerk in a Quaker meeting, and that’s what I’d particularly appreciate in a BDFRN role. --- _[View the full topic](https://discuss.python.org/t/closing-the-loop-on-pypa-governance-bdfrn/1776)._