Moving forward with the next manylinux specification

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I see two main issues here with the process:

  1. People who expressed reservations on the previous version of the PEP are no longer commenting. This is bad because I have to decide whether to pre-emptively assume that silence means consent to the changes that have been made.
  2. IMO, discourse really sucks for long, complex threads like these. (Mailing lists aren’t much better, but personally I find them easier). I have no real sense of how many people have expressed opinions, who has reservations, how people’s opinions have changed over time, where the revised version of the PEP fits in the timeline of all this, etc. So I don’t have the fundamental information I need to make a decision, without doing a lot of digging (which RL issues mean I haven’t had any time to do for a month or so).

I will review this thread. And hopefully the new thread (thanks for starting it!) will generate some fresh comments.

Can you clarify here, please? We now have manylinux{1,2010,2014} agreed and either implemented or to be implemented. All of those are, for better or worse, done deals. There’s work to be done to implement them, and that is all being done by volunteers, but PEP 600 won’t change that.

I’ve already said that I don’t intend to accept another manylinux spec in the current style, so I’m not sure what part of the “current process” you’re concerned about here. And I’m honestly not clear where you see volunteer time being “disrespected”. I’m personally extremely conscious that the level of process we currently have is a burden - the only reason I accepted manylinux2014 is because we had a spec that was essentially ready to go, and promises of manpower who would work on delivering it (and helping with the remaining work on 2010). If that manpower hasn’t materialised, I’d like to know (even though I have no power to do anything about it, other than not accepting PEPs in future based on such promises :slightly_frowning_face:)

So I take the suggestion that we’re not respecting volunteer time here very seriously, but I need to understand what you think is wrong.