# PEP 570: Python Positional-Only Parameters

**URL:** <https://discuss.python.org/t/pep-570-python-positional-only-parameters/1078>\
**Category:** PEPs\
**Created:** [March 28, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/pep-570-python-positional-only-parameters/1078 "2019-03-28T00:04:34Z")\
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**Post date:** [March 29, 2019, 7:23am UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/pep-570-python-positional-only-parameters/1078/30 "2019-03-29T07:23:10Z")

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> [@pablogsal](#):
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> The PEP makes a great effort in describing not only all the situation were positional only arguments are important and solve real problems,

Evidence that there isn’t an _important_ problem to be solved:

- It doesn’t come up in Python training courses at all
- There don’t seem to be any prominent blog posts on the subject
- It doesn’t show up in Hacker News comments
- There don’t seem to be any recorded talks on the subject
- On StackOverflow’s 2,000,000+ Python questions, this comes up almost never
- I spend my life answering questions about Python and have never been asked about this
- It is rare to see a bug report or tracker issue where this is a root cause.
- Most Python programmers don’t even know what the “/” means in help() output – just ask around
- If you ask Python consultants what problems they are asked to solve, it won’t be mentioned
- Other prominent languages haven’t felt the need to add a “/” notation
- Ask full time code reviewers (like Jack D) whether this is a recurring or important issue (the answer is no)

The PEP isn’t wrong that there aren’t some issues. It is wrong that there about the significance being enough to warrant a grammar change that will be inflicted on 100% of the users in a way they mostly won’t be able to ignore when reading code.

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