Suspension of Franz Király

I’m in accord, not based on Deep Thoughts, but because I’ve always believed the Golden Rule is the foundation of all compassionate systems.

Nothing is really new here. I have long publicly opposed the seemingly calculated cruelty of the PSF’s “corrective actions”

And I’ve already spent too much of my life typing about it.. So, apologies, but I’m going to skip over most of your long post; I have nothing new to say.

Moderation isn’t “an interest” of mine. People want it, fine, at least be decent about it.

Concrete suggestions for improvements also aren’t new. I defer to @malemburg, who has been making them for years too. Marc-Andre was also a PSF founder, and has a keen mind for the human consequences of organizational structures. I can’t say his suggestions were rejected, but can say none were adopted. Because there’s no dialog, one can only speculate about why or why not.

His latest attempt (from last November) sputtered out. That had the much more limited goal of getting the Steering Council out of the “ban business”, which a majority of SC members at the time endorsed “at least in theory”. I may not always agree with him either, but “close enough”, He doesn’t believe there’s an “easy fix”, and neither do I.

Note that I’ve made no comment about Franz’s suspension. 18 months seems disproportional to the offenses to me, but so it goes.. At least they didn’t contrive a long list of hallucinatory specific “CoC violations” in an attempt at character assassination. I hope last year’s purges were the last of that we’ll see.

Yes, I know the topic title is about Franz. Human discussion is inherently discursive, and I’m happy to follow where things go.

?? I take full responsibility for endorsing Bloc STAR as “the best” method the PSF could adopt.

The topic about analyzing the PSF Board elections wasn’t about that, though. I think you’re misreading the last post I made there. It was pointing out an objective fact that may not be obvious: there is generally no way to shrink 13-dimensional data points to 2 dimensions that preserves all relative distances between points. That’s a fact. Blind trust in algorithms is indeed a Really Bad Idea™. So I explained the problem, and sketched what I did to assess how much damage was done. “Not much”. I didn’t try to “weasel out” of anything. Quite the contrary. Full disclosure, to the best of my ability.

Why didn’t you object at the time? I would have been been happy to make any clarifications you felt necessary.

While not always successful, I try to pick words with care.

In the case of Franz, “correspondence” was accurate: we exchanged many emails, over a period of weeks. While he since got it into his head that I’m some kind of secret agent conspiring with the PSF to discredit him (so very laughably off-base I can’t even begin to take offense), I strongly doubt he has any objections to my saying we corresponded.

In your case, I didn’t use 'correspondence", because we didn’t have one. I said something to you in private, which is all I claimed. Other things I could have said, but didn’t think useful at time:

  • This was via Discourse private DM.
  • You didn’t reply.
  • But I had no way to guess whether you ever would.
  • Discourse itself suggested I send you a DM.

In context, I was pointing out that this was at least the third time I was trying to get across the same point, and it would really be nice if there was some sign of progress :wink:.

Never my intent to “reframe” anything. If you like, I’ll post verbatim the DM I sent you, and your (lack of) reply. If you read my blog, you’ll see that I always provide links to public posts when possible, rather than “helpfully summarize” by supplying my own spin on what they said.

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