Yes, I agree, to get on topic the point I was making is that these new tools aren’t trying to start a new ecosystem, or create new (non-)standards, and that is a success, regardless of the nuances of why conda created it’s own ecosystem.
Users have a choice of tools and increasingly better tools, which is a success.
And it appears that some of these tools have the resources to aim to tackle common Python user workflow issues such as managing package and requirement lifecycles, and manage environments, in a completely unified way. Which would be a success, because the current core packaging tools do not have the resources to handle it themselves.