# Wanting a singular packaging tool/vision

**URL:** <https://discuss.python.org/t/wanting-a-singular-packaging-tool-vision/21141>\
**Category:** Packaging\
**Created:** [November 16, 2022, 2:50am UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wanting-a-singular-packaging-tool-vision/21141 "2022-11-16T02:50:23Z")\
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**Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 1:22pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wanting-a-singular-packaging-tool-vision/21141/17 "2022-11-17T13:22:48Z")

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> [@pf\_moore](#):
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> If conda is part of the vision, it needs to change, probably quite significantly (to meet the needs of those people who currently don’t use it).

Perhaps you could start by explaining how conda _doesn’t_ fit those needs? (other than “I don’t like the UX”, which as @h-vetinari pointed out is largely irrelevant)

As an aside, to me at least it seems that using vague and lofty words like “vision” tends to drown the debate into theological arguments - which don’t help at all. Unless, of course, you can point me to a _precise_ definition of that “Python packaging vision” you’re talking about?

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