Wanting a singular packaging tool/vision

[pf_moore (Paul Moore)]

@pitrou

Perhaps you could start by explaining how conda doesn’t fit those needs? (other than “I don’t like the UX”, which as @h-vetinari pointed out is largely irrelevant)

I don’t agree the UX is irrelevant, I know of people who were learning Python who would have given up if they had to use conda (I can’t get details as I no longer work with the individuals in question, I’m afraid). However, I’m happy to put that point aside.

The most glaring example is that (to my knowledge, at least) conda doesn’t work with python.org builds of Python, the Windows Store distribution or Linux distro builds.

@pitrou

As an aside, to me at least it seems that using vague and lofty words like “vision” tends to drown the debate into theological arguments - which don’t help at all. Unless, of course, you can point me to a precise definition of that “Python packaging vision” you’re talking about?

I agree. It wasn’t me that asked for a “vision” here, I’m mainly just exploring the implications if people want to go down that route. Personally, I’m largely happy with the direction things are going in under the PyPA (on the understanding that progress is frustratingly, even glacially, slow ), and having conda be a separate ecosystem for people who prefer/need it.