# What about Zulip?
**URL:** https://discuss.python.org/t/what-about-zulip/197
**Category:** Discourse Feedback
**Created:** [October 8, 2018, 11:21pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/what-about-zulip/197 "2018-10-08T23:21:44Z")
**Posts on this page:** 8
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### Author:  [@vstinner](https://discuss.python.org/u/vstinner)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2018, 11:21pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/what-about-zulip/197/1 "2018-10-08T23:21:44Z")
Do we plan to keep Discourse+Zulip?
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### Author:  [@ammaraskar](https://discuss.python.org/u/ammaraskar)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/what-about-zulip/197/2 "2018-10-08T23:38:27Z")
According to
> [@Python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org](https://discuss.python.org/t/python-committers-is-dead-long-live-discuss-python-org/30):
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> Hello committers, since this got pretty long, here’s the tl;dr: we’re at the point where it is hard to make mailing lists work for us; we’re switching to Discourse; it’s better in many ways; go to [https://discuss.python.org/](https://discuss.python.org/) and create your account there; please do not post to python-committers for the remainder of the year to give Discourse a real shot. And now the long version. What’s the issue? During the core sprint in Redmond we discussed how we discuss. The overwhelming feel is that …
Zulip will act as a replacement for IRC whereas discourse is for the mailing lists.
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### Author:  [@ambv](https://discuss.python.org/u/ambv)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2018, 8:37am UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/what-about-zulip/197/3 "2018-10-09T08:37:47Z")
I don’t think dropping Zulip or not needs to be an edict. If people keep using it and it serves a unique role then fine. If Discourse fills it well enough and Zulip stops being used organically, that’s also fine.
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### Author:  [@vstinner](https://discuss.python.org/u/vstinner)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2018, 10:21am UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/what-about-zulip/197/4 "2018-10-09T10:21:13Z")
> [@ammaraskar](#):
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> Zulip will act as a replacement for IRC whereas discourse is for the mailing lists.
I dislike Zulip. Me and others still use IRC 🙂 You cannot fully replace a communication channel, only promote it enough to make sure that the critical mass moves to the new shiny one 🙂
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### Author:  [@vstinner](https://discuss.python.org/u/vstinner)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2018, 10:21am UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/what-about-zulip/197/5 "2018-10-09T10:21:51Z")
> [@ambv](#):
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> If Discourse fills it well enough and Zulip stops being used organically, that’s also fine.
Ok. We will see. I agree that there is no need to decide it right now. But I had to ask the question.
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### Author:  [@erlend\_sh](https://discuss.python.org/u/erlend_sh)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2018, 10:33am UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/what-about-zulip/197/6 "2018-10-14T10:33:00Z")
Another Discourse team member here 👋
Just for the record, we think of chat & forum platforms as highly complementary. One does not replace the other:
> **[Effectively using Discourse together with group chat](https://blog.discourse.org/2018/04/effectively-using-discourse-together-with-group-chat/)**
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> Most modern businesses and organisations today are using some kind of team chat application. The usual suspects are Slack, HipChat, Discord, Mattermost, Rocket Chat, Riot, and Gitter, to name a few. While chat is immediate and primarily synchronous,...
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### Author:  [@esbeeb](https://discuss.python.org/u/esbeeb)
#### Post date: [February 9, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/what-about-zulip/197/7 "2019-02-09T17:00:06Z")
I just installed Zulip yesterday [from a Docker container](https://github.com/zulip/docker-zulip) (for my own testing purposes).
I love it so far, but be warned it’s CPU hungry. If a giant community were to all pile onto Zulip, that had better be a beefy Zulip server (or server **s** , say maybe splitting out the DB onto a second server).
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### Author:  [@Mariatta](https://discuss.python.org/u/Mariatta)
#### Post date: [February 9, 2019, 8:57pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/what-about-zulip/197/8 "2019-02-09T20:57:15Z")
The good thing is we’re using the hosted zulip, (not running our own servers) so I don’t think we need to worry about the infrastructure part.