# Wiki.python.org is not mobile-friendly **URL:** \ **Category:** PSF\ **Created:** [May 12, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700 "2021-05-12T14:40:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mariatta](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/mariatta/32/30581_2.png) [@Mariatta](https://discuss.python.org/u/Mariatta)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/1 "2021-05-12T14:40:27Z")
I’m not sure where the code of wiki [python.org](http://python.org) is hosted. Do we host an instance of moinmoin? Would it be possible to modernize the styling? It would be great if the wiki can be made mobile friendly, but I don’t even know where the source code is located. ---
**Author:** ![malemburg](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/malemburg/32/50_2.png) [@malemburg](https://discuss.python.org/u/malemburg)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/2 "2021-05-12T15:09:02Z")
This would require creating a new mobile friendly theme for the MoinMoin wiki. The code is hosted on a VM and we use the older EuroPython theme, which was created in 2009: > **[EuroPython Conference](https://www.europython-society.org/europython/)** > > EuroPython is the largest conference for the Python programming language in Europe, and one of the largest Python conferences word-wide. It regularly attracts 1200-1400 attendees from all over the world. The conference series was initiated by the... These are the docs for this: [https://moinmo.in/MoinDev/ThemeDevelopment](https://moinmo.in/MoinDev/ThemeDevelopment) I guess the PSF could also help with moin development a bit, so that we can upgrade to moin 2.0 at some point in the future: [https://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0](https://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0) ---
**Author:** ![ammaraskar](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/ammaraskar/32/32_2.png) [@ammaraskar](https://discuss.python.org/u/ammaraskar)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/3 "2021-05-12T15:09:58Z")
Thanks for taking a look at this Mariatta, the wiki is pretty neglected 😅 I believe the hosting for the wiki is configured here: [psf-salt/moin.sls at 8c29e89e500bd1ad48c112e0144d574e89d13e01 · python/psf-salt · GitHub](https://github.com/python/psf-salt/blob/8c29e89e500bd1ad48c112e0144d574e89d13e01/pillar/base/moin.sls#L2-L7) It’s using a theme called `europython` but the source links for it on the Moin ThemeMarket page seem to be dead: [ThemeMarket/Europython - MoinMoin](http://moinmo.in/ThemeMarket/Europython) I believe @EWDurbin can probably give you access to the existing theme files from the server. ---
**Author:** ![ammaraskar](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/ammaraskar/32/32_2.png) [@ammaraskar](https://discuss.python.org/u/ammaraskar)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/4 "2021-05-12T15:18:37Z")
> [@ammaraskar](#): > > but the source links for it on the Moin ThemeMarket page seem to be dead Quick update: I reached out to the original author of theme, the repo is now here: [http://hg.sheep.art.pl/moin-europython/](http://hg.sheep.art.pl/moin-europython/) ---
**Author:** ![Mariatta](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/mariatta/32/30581_2.png) [@Mariatta](https://discuss.python.org/u/Mariatta)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 3:20pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/5 "2021-05-12T15:20:01Z")
Thanks @malemburg @ammaraskar for the quick repsonses. I don’t have css styling skills myself. Best I can do is point interested people to it and say “PR is welcome” 😅 Would it be possible to make the theme be made available on GitHub so folks can make PRs for it? ---
**Author:** ![ammaraskar](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/ammaraskar/32/32_2.png) [@ammaraskar](https://discuss.python.org/u/ammaraskar)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 3:22pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/6 "2021-05-12T15:22:03Z")
> [@Mariatta](#): > > Would it be possible to make the theme be made available on GitHub so folks can make PRs for it? Sure thing, if you want to make a repo for it under [Python · GitHub](https://github.com/python/) I can convert it from mercurial to git so we have a place to point people to. ---
**Author:** ![Mariatta](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/mariatta/32/30581_2.png) [@Mariatta](https://discuss.python.org/u/Mariatta)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 3:35pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/7 "2021-05-12T15:35:43Z")
Thanks! I will look into it once I’m on computer. ---
**Author:** ![malemburg](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/malemburg/32/50_2.png) [@malemburg](https://discuss.python.org/u/malemburg)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/8 "2021-05-12T15:38:12Z")
FYI: This should be coordinated with the new documentation WG and also with whoever is responsible in the PSF for the design on the websites. There’s not much use in putting work into an updated theme when we end up not deploying it. It’s also not a good idea to have the wiki divert even more from the [python.org](http://python.org) website design. Moving closer to that design or a completely new design which then gets used across all the websites would be better. ---
**Author:** ![Mariatta](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/mariatta/32/30581_2.png) [@Mariatta](https://discuss.python.org/u/Mariatta)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 6:55pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/9 "2021-05-12T18:55:07Z")
Yeah I’m in the Docs WG myself so I’ll make sure to bring this up to the WG. ---
**Author:** ![Mariatta](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/mariatta/32/30581_2.png) [@Mariatta](https://discuss.python.org/u/Mariatta)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 6:55pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/10 "2021-05-12T18:55:48Z")
The moin-europython Mercurial repo does not have a license. Is it GPL? ---
**Author:** ![ammaraskar](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/ammaraskar/32/32_2.png) [@ammaraskar](https://discuss.python.org/u/ammaraskar)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2021, 1:25am UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/11 "2021-05-13T01:25:27Z")
I pinged the original author again, they should attach a license to it soon 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![al-fontes-jr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/al-fontes-jr/32/23908_2.png) [@al-fontes-jr](https://discuss.python.org/u/al-fontes-jr)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2021, 6:42am UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/13 "2021-05-17T06:42:50Z")
Just out of curiosity, why does it need to be mobile friendly? ---
**Author:** ![McSinyx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/mcsinyx/32/2107_2.png) [@McSinyx](https://discuss.python.org/u/McSinyx)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2021, 7:12am UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/14 "2021-05-17T07:12:51Z")
Some of us (including me) have the unhealthy habit of researching stuff on the phone when we do not have our computer availale to write stuff. Making the wiki more mobile friendly would make this a bit more healthy. ---
**Author:** ![uranusjr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/uranusjr/32/103_2.png) [@uranusjr](https://discuss.python.org/u/uranusjr)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2021, 11:03am UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/15 "2021-05-17T11:03:01Z")
The wiki is also especially bad since the page does not have a minimal width, but the sidebar does. This makes it practically impossible to read on smaller screens, where the sidebar would take almost all of the page width and leave no room for the actual content. The design does not strictly need to be responsive, but definitely could use an overhaul—and if we’re going to do that, making it responsive sounds like a correct move. ---
**Author:** ![Mariatta](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/mariatta/32/30581_2.png) [@Mariatta](https://discuss.python.org/u/Mariatta)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2021, 1:22pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/16 "2021-05-17T13:22:35Z")
People use their phone to read things on the internet. When we have information that’s not easily readable on their phone, we’re basically creating barrier to them from accessing information. Having mobile friendly website should be the default nowadays. Additionally, I know of many people who have access to phone or iPad, but don’t have computer. ---
**Author:** ![smontanaro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/smontanaro/32/1389_2.png) [@smontanaro](https://discuss.python.org/u/smontanaro)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2021, 8:40pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/17 "2021-05-17T20:40:48Z")
Is MoinMoin even still maintained? Probably a topic for another thread, but should the wiki be moved to something less long-in-the-tooth? Security being one reason, use of more recent markup systems another. Pandoc appears not to support MoinMoin out of the box, but I think there are some add-ons which might do a reasonable job. ---
**Author:** ![AstroMatt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/astromatt/32/25214_2.png) [@AstroMatt](https://discuss.python.org/u/AstroMatt)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 9:45am UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/18 "2021-05-19T09:45:33Z")
I refer to [TimeComplexity - Python Wiki](https://wiki.python.org/moin/TimeComplexity) on each Python training course I am giving (every week). This is a very good source of information, but lack of updating for a while. Would love to see that refreshed and covering even more data structures 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![malemburg](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/malemburg/32/50_2.png) [@malemburg](https://discuss.python.org/u/malemburg)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 9:58am UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/19 "2021-05-19T09:58:08Z")
It’s a wiki, so the users are the ones who need to keep it up to date. Feel free to ask for edit permissions and take the lead. ---
**Author:** ![ammaraskar](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/discuss.python.org/ammaraskar/32/32_2.png) [@ammaraskar](https://discuss.python.org/u/ammaraskar)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:53pm UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/20 "2021-05-19T12:53:40Z")
> [@smontanaro](#): > > Is MoinMoin even still maintained? I think so, there’s a bunch of activity on the code repo this year [Commits · moinwiki/moin · GitHub](https://github.com/moinwiki/moin/commits/master) The Ubuntu wiki is also using MoinMoin still: [CommunityHelpWiki - Community Help Wiki](https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommunityHelpWiki) ---
**Author:** ![niyazahamed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e9bcb4/32.png) [@niyazahamed](https://discuss.python.org/u/niyazahamed)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 5:57am UTC](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700/21 "2021-05-21T05:57:21Z")
Any where, Every one will search with the mobile device, and [wiki.python.org](https://wiki.python.org) it is not GUI friendly. Kindly fix the mobile view asap. [Next page](https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-is-not-mobile-friendly/8700.md?page=2)