I have been struggling following recent conversations because of community hidden posts, almost all other users participating in that thread appear to be TL3+ and can view the posts and are either referencing them or replying with the context of knowing what they say.
And I don’t know what I am missing for TL3 / Regular status, so I don’t know if I just need to click on a few more topics and I’ll have it, or I am missing something that is so not part of my behaviour pattern of using this forum that I will never achieve it.
I’d rather not ask this publically, but reaching out privately did not result in a response, probably the moderator/admin I reached out to was too busy with other things, which I understand.
Responded privately. We’re sorry your private message didn’t get a response. In the future, addressing private messages to @moderators as a group will be more successful than writing to a particular single person.
Out of those that I am missing, I personally find the post read per 100 days too overwhelming, as it would need to be an average of 31+ posts read per day. I am in the mid 20s and already consider that too much.
Given the trend to community hide posts when discussing meta topics about community I think it makes sense for me to try and disengage from reading these at all, as I will never be able to read the full context of what people are replying to.
I don’t think we ever tweaked the numbers past the defaults in terms of trust levels. I will bring this up with the other moderators. To be clear, there is still a non-trivial amount of people with TL3+ on this site so it’s not an unattainable level. But I hear you on the high numeric requirements to reach and keep it.
Likewise, to be clear, when I say overwhelming, I’m only stating that as a position for myself. I participate in other Python communities (reddit, Github issues, discord) and I do not want to increase my time spent in this forum at the cost of those places.
I, for example, do not participate in the Python help section of this forum at all, and I hide it by default so as not to have to sift through user help issues to read proposed PEPs. When I do spend time helping users it is in the other communities.
If “regular” means that this is the user’s primary online community, I completely understand that I would not qualify.
Yes, that’s by design. You can go back to TL2 if you stop being active within 100 days + a 30-day grace period.
This trust level does enable a few quasi-moderation capabilities like renaming topics and moving them across categories, so we don’t intend to have every member “graduate” to that level.
Out of those that I am missing, I personally find the post read
per 100 days too overwhelming, as it would need to be an average
of 31+ posts read per day. I am in the mid 20s and already
consider that too much.
And those of us participating through Discourse’s “mailing list
mode” don’t show up as reading any posts at all, because you have to
read through the WebUI to even be counted.
Reading through that blog, the number of topics and posts that need to be read each 100 days is a % of the whole forum, so by muting this category and not participating in it, it might have become close to impossible for me to reach the required numbers for TL3.
However, I also think that there is little benefit for mailing list only users to be TL3, there are none, if any, features that are relevant. Moderators could lock people into TL3 if that is desired for some reason, so if you want, asking is probably the best way to get it.
You definitely tweaked something if I am reading the defaults correctly, since according to this chart only TL4 members are supposed to be able to read hidden posts, but since myself and the many other TL3 members can read them, I think you changed the defaults.
Are there even any TL4 members? From my reading, that is very much a moderation position, but I can’t find a list of them anywhere.
It was seemingly “flagged by the community” several days after it had been posted. It is not clear to me that there is any value in hiding a post many days after it has been available for anything other than a direct moderator action.
That post “has a history”. It was in fact hidden very soon after I first posted it (a week ago). Days later, I deleted it by mistake (tricked by a “too clever” UI), and undeleted it again. Which had the (wholly unexpected by me) side effect of making it visible again. It got hidden again then almost at once.
What is confusing is the “temporarily hidden” note. Also a question for the mods: Have you looked at this post and made the decision to keep it hidden? If so, is there a way to mark is as “hidden for violating community guidelines” instead of “hidden temporarily”?
Not sure about that. It resurfaced again today but I can’t see anything new. My guess is, someone replied to the thread, but the reply has been deleted.
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