OK, I’ve found a way to get every user with the commit bit in the GitHub org. I don’t have everyone’s email address, however. I’ve added all the users I do have emails for, but I’m missing the following:
At this point I’ve added everyone that I’m able to and everyone that has reached out to me. Happy to add anyone that is missing but at this point there isn’t much else I can do to get the stragglers.
I think we can check the “Get the pypa-committers mailing list up-to-date (and a way to maintain this?)” checkbox here and I’ll be bringing PyPA as a PSF Fiscal Sponsoree forward for a vote shortly.
I do think we should send a mail saying “Hey, we’re going to start using this for PyPA-level decision-making votes now, since PEP 609 is now an accepted PEP” before we start the votes (in case there’s folks in PyPA who aren’t keeping up with all-the-things-around-that-governance-discussion.
Maybe this is a topic for another thread, but in the PyPA as a PSF Fiscal Sponsoree vote, I’m noticing that it’s already very noisy, the votes are public and it seems like it will be somewhat annoying manual task to count the votes.
Is there any way we can move to an implementation where the vote is advertised on PyPA-committers, but conducted via discourse or Helios or some other system that counts the votes for you and doesn’t involve everyone on the list getting an e-mail every time someone votes?
That it is ambiguous what PEP means when it comes to counting the votes proportion. Is it +1’s divided by all possible voters or by those who actually have casted a vote. @pf_moore seems to agree and I think it’s reasonable to only count the ones who casted their votes too.
As I said on the mailing list, my reading of the PEP is that “at least two thirds of voters” means people who vote. Looking at the full sentence,
Each PyPA committer can vote once, and can choose one of +1 and -1. If at least two thirds of voters vote +1, then the vote succeeds.
I’d have expected that if the intention had been two thirds of everyone, we’d have said “PyPA committers”, not “voters”. But it’s equally likely that we simply didn’t think of the ambiguity.
If we do make it “2/3 of people who voted”, we should really add a quorum mechanism so that proposals that don’t get enough votes can’t get in with minimal support.
I agree that ‘voters’ should mean ‘people who cast a vote’, especially as it requires a supermajority.
I also agree with @pf_moore that a quorum requirement would make sense, though I don’t think it’s an urgent need. I’d be happy with a fairly low quorum threshold, like 1/3.
Thanks everyone for the feedback. I’ll agree that I seem to have misinterpreted the PEP, I’ll chalk that up due to lack of coffee. It probably makes sense to amend the PEP to say:
- If at least two thirds of voters vote +1, then the vote succeeds.
+ If at least two thirds of recorded votes are +1, then the vote succeeds.
Why not just mute the thread after voting? I think the infrequency in which we’ll conduct a vote doesn’t merit this much overhead. Also, if we don’t actually need 2/3 of voters to participate, there’s even less emails to receive and less votes to count.
