PyCon US Packaging Mini-Summit 2019

(Paul Ganssle) #1

Last year at PyCon US, we had a “packaging mini-summit” to take advantage of the fact that many of us would be in the same room and try to get us all on the same page. I think that would also be a good idea for this year, and I’m wondering if maybe now is a good time to get started planning it.

Last year a decent chunk of the meeting was devoted to planning the agenda itself, should we maybe start getting the agenda-planning out of the way now, so that we can maybe figure out how much time we want to budget for the whole thing and how we want to structure it (working groups? Everyone in a big room like last time?).

Regarding attendance - here is an editable Google spreadsheet that we can use to track who is going to attend. We can switch it over to something else like a wiki later if that’s preferable.

In this thread, can we gather ideas of topics that should be covered during the discussion?


Drawing a line to the scope of Python packaging
(Pradyun Gedam) #2

On a slightly tangential note, I think we should also put up the summary of whatever discussion takes place at the Mini-Summit somewhere, for people who aren’t attending the conference. (like me last year and not this year, hopefully).

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(Paul Ganssle) #3

That’s actually on me - I have the notes from the meeting and never typed them up :frowning: I’m thinking I should post something soon-ish with the old agenda so that we can start building a new agenda from it, but it’s been a while so next year whoever does it should either be someone more responsible or a version of me that has learned his lesson about writing things up while they are still fresh.


(Petr Viktorin) #4

I’m not quite a member of PyPA, but I will be around if you want to discuss integration in Linux distros (Fedora in particular), as an example of a larger project PyPA tools should(?) be easy to integrate with.

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(Sumana Harihareswara) #5

Paul - yes, I’d very much like the old agenda and notes so we can look at those and consider what we could do this year.


(Chris Jerdonek) #6

Is there any idea of what day or days this might be?


(Dustin Ingram) #7

I imagine it depends on folk’s availability, but last year it was the first day of the sprints.


(Paul Ganssle) #8

Last year we had a pretty well-attended open space (though I’m not sure it was as great a driver of “getting people on the same page” as I had hoped) during the conference, and the more structured mini-summit during the first day of sprints.

I’m guessing we may want to similarly split the “mini-summit” into two parts so that people who are main conference-only can participate, but we also get the somewhat more focused environment of the sprint day to have discussions.


(Pradyun Gedam) #9

Have we finalized the structure or dates+timing for the summit?


(Paul Ganssle) #10

I propose we tentatively do something similar to what we did last year and have a split between the conference and the sprints, tentatively scheduling the “everyone in the same room discussing stuff” mini-summit for at least 1 hour in the morning the first day of the sprints, and at least one open space.

Last year I think we put a cap on the meeting on the first day of sprints at I think 2 hours. We can do that again, but depending on what we want to accomplish, it may be worth considering other structures. One option for this would be that we meet in the morning of the first day for ~1 hour and break into working groups, then throughout the day we each work on something, then either at the end of the day or the next day, we have another 60-90 minute session where the groups either give a recap of what they worked on or the working groups come back with any stumbling blocks that they want general feedback on.


(Paul Ganssle) #11

One other thing I’d like to mention is that last year we spent a decent chunk of that first meeting enumerating topics and then voting on an ordering in which to discuss them. I think it would be a good idea if we could get that out of the way ahead of time (it would help with planning as well).

I don’t have time at the moment to set it up, but maybe we can have a thread here just for topic suggestions (no +1s or voting yet), and then after some hopefully sufficient period we can take a straw poll for what people want to talk about. That way we can try to budget enough time during the conference to get to the most important things, even if the final agenda is assembled by voting on the full list of topics on the day itself.

Anyone mind setting something like that up? I think the first part can be accomplished with just a topic selection thread on discourse and a cross-post to distutils.