Is there a way we can keep python-committers (mailman) and the corresponding channel here in sync? For example, that could be some sort of bot.
That would allow us to transition more smoothly, be less disruptive to the governance discussions, and allow us to cancel the experiment (if it came to that) more easily. It would also keep the list archives up-to-date. That would ease my concerns with the abrupt change and I expect it would help address the strong concerns expressed by others.
This defeats the purpose of many things that Discourse offers like closing topics, moving between categories, semantic quoting, post edits, and so on, and so on.
Sadly it would because the reason we donât want e-mail anymore is that e-mail either doesnât support those things or would sidestep them. As long as you can keep responding to e-mail, it doesnât matter if somebody âcloses a threadâ here. As long as there are people on e-mail, you canât fix typos, rename topics, mention people to get their attenion, and so on.
Not necessarily. In fact I did talk to the Discourse folks a few years ago about building a MM3/Discourse bridge. It sounded doable at the time, but Iâm not hacking on Mailman these days.
That said, it can be much like Gmame/Mailman. Messages âgatedâ from the mailing list would show up in forum posts, but youâd have all the controls you want for the Discourse view of the world. So if you want to close things off or whatever, youâd have a safer walled garden when you view Discourse, but a more free-ranging discussion when viewing via the mailing list. Then you can pick whatever works for you.
I think that this would end up having Discourse effectively be a second class citizen and people would be incentivized to stick with the mailing list in order to get âallâ of the discussion. It also doesnât solve the problem really. The mailing list would still be under the CoC and such, so the burn out that folks like Brett are feeling from trying to manage that wouldnât go away.
this would end up having Discourse effectively be a second class citizen
Yeah, and thatâs backwards. IMO email should become the second class citizen. Email cannot be killed or ignored (as Google Wave found out a decade ago) but it could be the notification option of last resort â thatâs certainly how I use it when it comes to most discussions Iâm participating in these days (e.g. GitHub issues, comments in Dropbox Paper docs, Slack). GitHub, at least, shows decent integration (you can respond to issues via email and they show up as you would expect) but it makes no dice about whatâs the primary medium.
What Barry said. Iâm not suggesting python-committers should stay an email list. It just isnât one that will benefit the most from moving over to discourse.